So the other day I was at the gym, and this guy was looking at me, so finally he says “hi, how are you doing?”, me being courteous, respond and we get into a general discussion about techniques and weight-lifting routines. After awhile we start to talk about what we do outside of the gym, all the while i’m showing him good exercises. He tells me he needs somebody to help him out, hes an entrepeneur and he does Web 2.0 and is into the supplements/health business. I think nothing of it, he just said he is going to need someone who can work 5-10 hours a week and maybe make a extra couple hundred bucks. So i’m like sure I can use the money. Still to this point he doesn’t really tell me what he wants me to do, but I didn’t think much of it. He just says, he we should connect for lunch and talk business, so I said sure lets do it. All the while he is smiling saying hey lets have fun, make some money.
Fast forward, the next day, were meeting for lunch at a thai restaurant, super casual. Thinking back to the day before I thought something was odd about this guy, but I go along with it saying nothing ventured nothing gained. We meet for lunch, and we sit down and immediately he comes out me, “so, greg tell me about your self?” I explain alittle about myself, he asks me if I like to travel, or where I’ve been, we really connect I start to like this guy. So after an hour of chatting I ask him, what exactly does he do, what is your business? He’s like I’m glad you asked me that, he pulls out a pad and pen, and draws up two words: Active and passive income. He asks me what I think those mean, he tells me active is what you work for, passive is money that works for you. He writes down companies and says, “imagine if we can connect all these companys, we are the networkers.” He goes on to say, “what if I told you, you could make around 10,000 dollars over 2-3 months? Or fastforward 2-3 years and you could make 100,000 dollars, how does that sound?” I say “wow, that would be amazing,” but in the back of my mind my skepticism is rising, this sounds too good to be true. So he says, “Greg, lets meet again, me and my partner want to interview you, how about tonight around say 5?” It’s friday, i’m not going to go to a job interview on the weekend, so we plan for a tuesday night, at 7:15. He tells me its a group interview, and I say, “why can’t you just interview me at a seperate time?”, he says, “Oh well if I spent an hour per person I would’nt have any time during the week for anything.” Fair enough, so on the way out he aks me what I think I can bring to the company, he is telling me teamwork is key, its good to work in a team. I shoot back that yea, I’d rather work in a team, there is no presumption that solo work is not possible. So I say, sales isn’t really what I’m trying to do, he responds that I won’t have to do sales. So we say our good-byes and I leave with a good feeling about this. All the while, he never told me what exactly he wanted me to do for him, or what he does at all. Only come to the interview and we’ll cover it there.
So, remembering back to our lunch meeting, I noticed he had a bottle with the brand, nutrilite, I asked him about it and he said, “Oh, this is one of the products we sell, there are many I’ll have to show you them all.” So, today, I type in google: nutrilite scam, (btw this is really great for seeing if anything, especially if you are buying online from website, just type in what it is and type in scam after and it will bring up any articles about the scam if any.) There it pops up, a yahoo answers asking the same question, I click the link, and low and behold the answer comes up with multi-level marketing. I type in multi-level marketing in google and I do my research and yup, it was too good to be true.
In conclusion, I find myself to be pretty skeptical, the whole time this guy was telling me he need me to work for him, I found it odd he never told me, what exactly he wanted me for. I wasn’t duped by the pyramid-scheme I know those are a no-no but this guy just beat around the bush so well, he played it off as so casual, and really it was his presentation or his “selling” that got me to bite the bait. I told, him I could make the meeting, but I’m not going to waste my time knowing his agenda and the organization he is selling.
So, here is a great article that goes super in-depth on pyramid schemes and the number of problems they present.
Some parallels with the article and my actual experience with this modern day snake oil salesman.
- “MLMs work by geometric expansion, where you get ten to sponsor ten to sponsor ten, and so on. This is usually shown as an expanding matrix (just don’t say “pyramid”!) with corresponding kick-backs at various levels.” Well here is how he put it without exposing the “pyramid,” saying that everyone spends atleast 10 dollars a day on stuff they don’t really use or need. Now if you could get 200 people to even just spend a quarter of the money, for a month you’d have 15,000 dollars, (some out of this world figure). He told me one of the guys has 20 people working under him and he’s making 100,000 a month.
- “Thus, MLM has evolved into a “niche”: it can be used to sell products that could not be sold any other way. An MLM is a way to get undue credibility by exploiting people’s personal friendships and relationships via ‘networking.'” Here’s the thing, he never told me i’d be selling anything, he just asked me a bunch of time’s if I work good as a team. I’m guessing a team to him is other people working under him, and were all duped into buying products that don’t sell?
- “MLMs grow by exploiting people’s relationships. If you are going to be in an MLM, you swallow hard and accept this as part of “building your business.” This is “networking.” But to those not “in” the MLM, it seems as if friendship is merely a pretext for phoniness, friendliness is suspected as prospecting, and so on. There is no middle ground here, try as you might.” This is how he started it out, that we were going to “have fun,” and money was going to “work for us,” there was no indication i’d sell to my friends and family.
- “Thus, a parallel or “shadow” pyramid of motivational tapes, seminars, and videos emerges. These are a “must for success,” and recruits are strong-armed into attending, buying, buying, and buying all the more. ” I’m assuming the group interview would be this, going to the seminar, where we would have seen a bunch of promotional tapes and would be pressured into buying the product right there.
So, as a cautionary note for anyone reading this, he did not explicitly say that I would be doing multi-level marketing, but I’d say its safe to assume that because he never told me exactly what he wants me to do, that I should be good at working in a team, and the fact that If I make this many sales I can make this much money. Also I asked how the pay would be, and he said we’ll figure that out at a different time, based on what you can do. So all in all nutrilite+shady job offer+testimony that sounds like a pyramid scheme. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it must be a duck.